Opening — Why this matters now

Reinforcement learning for large language models has graduated from esoteric research to the backbone of every reasoning-capable system—from OpenAI’s O1 to DeepSeek’s R1. And yet, for all the ceremony around “RL-fine-tuning,” many teams still treat PPO, GRPO, and DAPO as mysterious levers: vaguely understood, occasionally worshipped, and frequently misused.

The paper at hand【turn0file0】 offers something refreshingly rare: a controlled comparison of these algorithms on the same model, same dataset, and same tasks. In other words: we finally get a fair fight.

What emerges is not a victory lap for any single algorithm, but a set of operational truths—the sort that matter to business leaders building AI products rather than chasing leaderboard vanity.

Background — From PPO to “post-PPO” RL

The genealogy is simple:

• PPO: the established workhorse—stable-ish, compute-friendly, and widely adopted.
• GRPO: PPO without the critic, using group-relative advantages to simplify training and reduce variance.
• DAPO: A sharper, more opinionated GRPO with token-level weighting and a dynamic-sampling mechanism designed to prevent entropy collapse.

But simplification comes with politics. Remove the critic, and you lose granularity. Group-normalize rewards, and you encourage short answers. Add dynamic sampling, and you risk optimizing against the wrong signals.

The paper’s experiments push past the hype to reveal how each component behaves when measured honestly.

Analysis — What the paper actually does

The authors fine-tune a Qwen2.5-1.5B model using only a Countdown arithmetic game as the reward source—a tightly scoped environment ideal for isolating training dynamics. They then test the resulting policies on GSM8K, MATH, BBH, and MMLU-Pro, not because the model should excel at these tasks, but because they are stress tests for real-world reasoning.

From this controlled setup, they extract several design insights.

1. Entropy bonuses don’t magically help

PPO’s entropy term theoretically encourages exploration. In practice? The paper shows that entropy mostly inflates the KL divergence and hurts accuracy. A model wandering more doesn’t necessarily learn more.

Business translation: Don’t waste compute trying to force your model to be “creative.”

2. Learning rate stability still rules

a higher LR gives faster—but shakier—gains. A smaller LR gives smoother convergence. No surprises, just confirmation that PPO is temperamentally sensitive.

3. Group size (G) in GRPO/DAPO matters—up to a point

Going from G=2 → G=4 reduces gradient variance noticeably. Going from G=4 → G=8 yields marginal improvements but more cost.

The sweet spot: G=4 for small models.

4. KL penalties behave non‑monotonically

Too low and the policy drifts. Too high and it suffocates learning.

The best GRPO performance emerges around β = 0.0075–0.01. Above that? Everything collapses.

5. Token-level vs. sample-level loss is not cosmetic

• GRPO: sample-level → shorter answers, reward hacking.
• DAPO: token-level → longer chains of reasoning.

For models where traceability and reasoning depth matter, token-level weighting is a strategic win.

6. Dynamic Sampling (DS) is a trap

The paper is blunt: DS improves the surrogate objective but not actual performance. Worse, it can push the model to reinforce inferior responses.

Practical conclusion: Disable DS unless you have a very specific need.

Findings — Performance and meaning

Below is the distilled performance summary.

Benchmark Results

Two striking things:

1. All RL methods outperform the base model, despite being trained on a niche arithmetic game.
2. DAPO without dynamic sampling is the clear winner across all benchmarks.

This tells us something powerful: even narrow RL tasks can unlock generalizable reasoning improvements—if the optimization is stable.

Visualizing the Choices That Matter

How hyperparameters shape behavior

Implications — What businesses should take away

The paper’s most important lesson is not which RL method “wins.” It’s that fine-tuning LLM reasoning is a delicate logistical problem: gradients, variance, and credit assignment matter more than algorithmic novelty.

Three high-level implications for AI product builders:

1. “General reasoning” is not emergent—it’s engineered

Even a tiny model, trained on a narrow task, becomes measurably better at unrelated reasoning tasks. This means enterprise teams can use domain-specific RL episodes to sharpen general performance without creating giant reward models.

2. Stability matters more than clever tricks

Dynamic sampling, asymmetric clipping, and complex reward shaping can backfire. The most reliable gains came from simple, well-tuned hyperparameters.

3. Avoid critic-based PPO for small/medium LLMs

GRPO and DAPO remove the value function entirely and still outperform PPO. Training a critic introduces unnecessary instability unless you absolutely need token-level credit assignment.

Conclusion — The RL era is a tuning era

This paper provides a needed reminder: RL fine-tuning is not magic—it’s engineering. And the best engineering comes from understanding trade-offs, not chasing fashionable mechanisms.

For models under a few billion parameters, the winning recipe looks like this:

• DAPO style token-level loss
• Group size 4–8
• KL penalty tuned, not guessed
• Dynamic sampling turned off

Or in Zelina-speak: smart constraints beat flashy tricks. This is the philosophy that will separate durable AI products from those patched together with luck.

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